Curse

Alleji · Apr 22, 2006, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Lol and they're 55 monks. An ele is sooo much more efficient at farming Elona.

/taunts n00b botters

Matsumi · Apr 22, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Wessels

Do you have the slightest idea who these people ( yes: people ) are ??

I don't think you're correct on this one, have you been to elona reach yet and checked it out? It's completely obvious that they're not people doing their job, so instead of making a big speech about how they're just people (which I'm sure some are, but not all), take a look. Hang out there for a while and notice the patterns and running into walls, and it will start to sink in a little.

jciardha · Apr 22, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

they are all over the normal districts too

they better not mess elona farming up, im like reallllly close to getting fissure armor.

Fissure armor, hell. I farm Elona for the dune burrower jaws to give to people so they can complete their collector armor.

There goes my charity if that goes to pot.

remmeh · Apr 22, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

haha that toa screenie (p1) is golden.

Nivryx · Apr 22, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

thats so wierd....i was just farming elonas today with my ranger and noticed that there were a bunch of monks just standing at the merchant.....i suppose its human nature to take something great and try to ruin it (not talking about elona farming specifically, but refering to guildwars as 'something great')

God Apprentice · Apr 22, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Wessels

I'm pretty much fed up with comments like these . Do you comprehend why these pro-farmers are there???? Did you all ever stop and think
why gold is being sold on the net ???

Do you have the slightest idea who these people ( yes: people ) are ??

i suggest you read this article :

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/...ess/gaming.php

in full.

he only reason these people are there is that it is their job . They gather gold for those of us purchasing that gold from the sites . If there wasn't a demand to purchase gw-gold those folks wouldn't be there in the first place ( or at droknar , augury etc. ) . If you read that article you can also see what they themselves earn doing this : a measly US$250 /month .

Selling GW currency for real world money is a VIOLATION of the End User Agreement License.

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Originally Posted by Wessels

Next question is : why do people want to purchase gold in the first place ??? I have yet to see anyone addressing this very basic question . Let's see :

- A-net introduced über-items ( greens ) and FoW armor to have some kind of "top -of- the game " rewards for dedicated players .

However ( and here's the reason gold is being sold ) : there is no accomplishment involved at all in acquiring these items . The only way to get your hands on FoW-armor or on some rare green is to farm those areas pretty much constantly ( no skill involved : going in- and - out all the time using same builds all the time ) to get "lucky" . This prevents people who play the game normally from ever getting their hands on those items .People who do normal questing, helping guildies etc. will never get FoW-armor because they don't farm constantly to get the materials or gold .

So you would rather there be a sort of caste system? Where there are a select few who can aquire the good green items good armor and be filthy rich, while the rest are left out? Lets not forget Anet wants this game to have some form of balance.

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Originally Posted by Wessels

And this regardless of how much they have played , skillpoints,xp etc.

They are being "penalized" for playing normally . Those items are available only to those who:

- do nothing but farm ( the distinction between these people and bot-farmers is very hard to make , only difference is they don't get paid for it and they don't offer it on the net )
-are so disgusted in the end they decide to purchase gold of the net .

Im not some major uber farmer but i dont feel penalyzed and disgusted that I would ever go buy gold.

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Originally Posted by Wessels

Check out deldrimor war camp local chat ( or TOA local chat ) , these places are filled with pro-farmers , and again: because they don't sell it for real cash on the net we accept it .Try getting someone to do an actual quest in those places !

I see ppl ask for ppl for DNKP all the time, and Anet has nothing against farming so what is the problem here?Now wait a sec in this it sounds like youre saying NERF FARMING TO BRING BALANCE.....

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Originally Posted by Wessels

If I ever see someone trying to "block" exits at droknar or any other place I'll pretty much tell him/her what I think of that in local chat .Those farmers are doing their job in ensuring a supply of glod because there is a demand for it .No demand = no need for pro-farmers .

So leave them alone .

....and now you're saying support farming? Or more please dont get rid of the bot farmers who trade this for real world currency since they will lose their jobs? Erm what is the point you are trying to clarify here? Trading for real world money once again is against the EULA

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Originally Posted by Wessels

The only way this can be remedied is to totally rethink the meaning of "accomplishment " .Would A-net care to explain to me what's so great ( in terms of skill , great playing etc. ) about going into UW/FoW time and time again , with exact same builds , not for doing quests but to harvest and farm ???

They have stated repeatedly they don't condone people soloing any area ( UW was prime example ) but at the same time they ensure the only way to amass materials or gold for FoW armor is to do exactly that.

This really looks like some kind of: ANet zomg nerf the 55 sorta thread

Its your money you bought the game. If you want to go and farm and get FoW armor good for you that is your accomplishment, if you dont want to and instead want to quest and beat the games story taht can be an accomplishment for you. Or perhaps learning a run youve never done. Please dont try to justify that the jobs of these bot farmers are a good thing. They are violating the EULA and cause ANet grief having to hunt them down

GloryFox · Apr 22, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

I found a way to spot some BOTs in TOA (many of you know this). If you invite a Monk Mo/x and walk outside they will immediately begin running their BOT program and start 55 monking the monsters outside. (No normal player will do this with a group from TOA) Also they will not respond to any chat questions whatsoever, so if you speak to them and ask questions they will not return with answers. Personally I am beginning to write down names and sending the information with screen shots to Anet. This BOT issue has to STOP. I earned my 15k armor and can’t stand it when people who farm less than me start getting fissure armor and the best items in the because they can afford it. No offense to people to make money ligit in the game.

Nater · Apr 22, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

They make them, anywhere on the internet today you have chines hackers trying to get in to computers. I sat one day and traced the IP's that pingd my computer and 84 % where traced to china. China has the highest % of hackers vs. users today so making a couple of bot's is no problem.
The bot's you download is full of keyloggers, yes they steal your account and resell it or trancefer your possesions to some1 else and delete your characters, and you can do nothing since you where trying to run a bot.
For the chines it's big bussines to run bot's and sell the gold on ebay, it brings real dollars in to the chines economy and gives ppl a job.

Whats funny is the Chinese goverment cracks down on political propaganda the people have access to on the net, but let shit like this go unchecked.

lyra_song · Apr 22, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Why bot farming in GW isnt as bad as other games: Instanced Zones

You cant get KS, or even PK by a bot farmer. They cant camp a specific bad guy, and deny you of an item.

Imagine if Guild Wars wasnt running isntanced zones...

eternal pho · Apr 22, 2006, 08:07 PM // 20:07

ok first off u guys, who the Hell cares about bots( theyre not doing any of us harm ) they dont affect your drop rate

and btw not all of them r bots...

jackie · Apr 22, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by eternal pho

ok first off u guys, who the Hell cares about bots( theyre not doing any of us harm ) they dont affect your drop rate

and btw not all of them r bots...

I'm just going to do

^_^ for this post.

For sure bots are everybody's friends. I always hang out with couple of them and chat in some peaceful place like Maguuma Stade. And the best is that they give free upgrade items for everyone in Droknar's Forge!

Nivryx · Apr 22, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by eternal pho

ok first off u guys, who the Hell cares about bots( theyre not doing any of us harm ) they dont affect your drop rate

and btw not all of them r bots...

it won't affect our drop rate...YET. anet could end up nerfing it if they can't bring down the botting any other way.

uberstu · Apr 22, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

it's kinda weird so many bots moved to elona. i still cant figure out how they can continue to run so many bots without fear of having the account closed and losing the cost of the account. really, can't anet see all these obvious bots? there is NO WAY they are human-control... at least not the mass of monks i saw.

Phoenix Ex · Apr 22, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Its probably because there ARE humans watching the bots, and ANet can't really prove anything unless they msg the bot and get no response but keep moving at the same time.

But seriously, if ANET didn't nerf every way to acquire good money in the game , there would not be a need for those bots anyways. Not to mention the TRUE filthy rich people are those created by ANet's stupid HOD sword removal(but not entirely), rune traders reset, rockmolder nerf, FFS nerf...etc etc. Those who are lucky enough to mass stock on those items before anet removed them probably have 10millions+ gold, why aren't those ppl being blamed for inflation?

No, I don't support bots, but its annoying how people keep ranting about bots but don't care about the reason for them in the first place.

Fay Vert · Apr 22, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30

ANet could stop it in 5 seconds without needing to nerf any area. You don't need proof it's obvious to anyone that takes the trouble to go there and look.

natuxatu · Apr 22, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Sorry I had to create an account just to post the obvious. Bots aren't okay and a slap in the face to people who play it the right way. There is no excuse for them even if they don't effect me. That being said I'm going to go check it out for myself heh and yeah that screen shot was funny... and as the poster above said it looks extremely obvious.

Canadian Bacon · Apr 22, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Wessels,

this thread is about BOTS not SWEATSHOPS. Yous eem to have the 2 confused.

I have no problem with "pro farmers" as long as they are real people. Sweatshops do suck though. Something could be done about that.

I speak for myself here, but i suspect there are others with me on this: as a casual gamer who doesn't enjoy farming in the least, I have absolutely 0 interest in obtaining FoW armor. None at all. The thought hardly crosse smy mind. As for greens, in my opinion green items were introduced to drive in-game prices down by introducing a max stats item that can be easily obtained. Since poeple farm them endlessly, the market becomes flooded, and that green's price drops (along with a gold or purple item of the same stats). All of a sudden, the casual non-farmer like me can pop into any populated area and offer to buy his desired green. In most cases, the green can be bought and equipped before lunchtime.

Having the best items isn't necessary to be good at GW, PvE or PvP. If people choose to by gold over the net, it is because they choose to take the lazy way (opening their wallet rather than opening up the head of a dwarf with an axe), not because they are "disgusted".

ArianeB · Apr 22, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

I wonder if you could hack the bots? i.e. find a way to get on a team with one of them and then leech?

Probably not. My guess though is that eventually it will get nerfed the same way griffon farming got nerfed.

Watch for a new named minotaur boss with "devastating hammer" coming to an Elona Reach district near you.

makosi · Apr 22, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Do the bot creators actually get a return on the capital employed? I mean do they get their money's worth from the runes/skills/armour? I checked dunes ID1 and its now a popular tourist location to point and laugh at the poorly programmed bots

Lady Lozza · Apr 22, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

The bots in Elona really are an amazing site. If you think there are people behind them just jump to ID1 and take a look. It will not take you long to change your mind. Watchout hydras, seems like Elona will not be a safe place to be farming in the future.